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pgross8245
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# Posted: 4 Jul 2003 02:45


My house in Florida is about 15 minutes from Glades Herps. The store was recommended to me by one of the reptile keepers in our zoo in Wisconsin. The store is small, overcrowed, was relatively dirty and smelled like mouse urine. I know many people buy from them, I would want to see what I was buying rather than order it over the internet or phone.

Pam

azureus06
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# Posted: 4 Jul 2003 03:04


theres a small petshop by me called PetMart (Not PetsMart) that mixes FBT's, GTF's, RETF's, WTF's, tomato frogs, hermit crabs, 2 juvi knight anoles,house geckos...(and some others that I forgot) all in a 33g. All the frogs looked like crap, and are probably wc. They didnt just stop there....they had baby cresteds , baby vield chameleons, and baby day geckos in a 15g High (together), Collared Lizards with Uromastyx...anda lot more mixed sp. tanks...it was horrible.

cheshireycat
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# Posted: 4 Jul 2003 03:39


Wow, azureus... That PetMart sounds really bad. Maybe you should try to contact a manager? And, if nothing gets fixed, is that something you could report to the animal abuse authorities?


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azureus06
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# Posted: 4 Jul 2003 05:15


Well, im hoping i can work there (as my first job), and hopefully straighten things out a bit.

spydergirl4594
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# Posted: 4 Jul 2003 05:39


trust me,it isnt easy to get peopel to listen to you. no matter what they say,theyre all greedy money hungry people who wont shell out the few cents it cost for them to buy the tanks to use them to house their own animals. your going to have to be in there a long time before they even come close to remotely listening to you. good luck however.


-Sheryl
cheshireycat
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# Posted: 8 Jul 2003 05:52


Sadly, I think Sheryl is right. You'll probably end up just frustrating yourself, but the effort is probably still well worth it. Good luck.


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CarrieBean
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# Posted: 8 Jul 2003 08:42 · Edited by: CarrieBean


Thanks for the post. I had two GTF together, and one died. Same thing happened again, same frog survived. A few people I talked to said Gordo stressed the others out and that's why they went. It wasn't mixing species, but it really does make you think about how much personal space these frogs would have, if the had been born and lived in the wild rather than your house. I was considering trying to get Gordo a new tank-mate again, since he's been on his own for a few months, but I read your post and realized it wouldn't have been the best thing for the frogs.

Josh
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# Posted: 9 Jul 2003 01:52


I have been trying to get local pet shops to stop treating Asian Box Turtles like tortoises, and actually give them some water to soak in.They watch and laugh when all the turtles try to soak in the water dish that's half their size. Every tiem I see them there I tell the manager, i think they wanna kick me out of the store. But they can't because I buy about $100.00 worth of supplies a month. LOL They would go out of buisiness without me. But some of the employees sneak them over the the little stock tank pond every chance they get, because they know I knwo what I am talking about.


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cheshireycat
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# Posted: 9 Jul 2003 02:55


Seriously, that would piss me off, too. I know these people save a lot of money by mixing species in tanks and stuff like that, but it couldn't really save them much money to stimp on a deeper water bowl.


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Josh
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# Posted: 9 Jul 2003 14:19


Actually they don't save any money when they order in Asian Box Turtles, cause they always die in the pet shop. I'm not even sure why they keep ordering them, poor guys. But I refuse to buy them there because they are way too mistreated and over priced. If tehy were around $20.00 or so I would buy them, but they are about $50.00 there.


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llmoe
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# Posted: 12 Jul 2003 00:37


I use to deal with glades alot a few years back. Had pretty good lucky with I snakes. They do crowd there stuff but remember they are in it for just the money. Not like us.
Going to open something in a couple of years. It won't cost to much. Just start raising stuff and getting your own breeders going now. Then when you open you will have your own stock. I have snakes going and getting into more frogs. People who do it just for a profit are idiots and don't care about the animals at all. I have been into reps for about 18 years. You have to love them not to show off or just say you have one.

sharpshot
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# Posted: 13 Jul 2003 18:47


I have a question, is it ok to put 3-4 RETF's in a 37H tank? and... Would it be ok if i put my Big Eye in it? I am just wondering!


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sharpshot
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# Posted: 13 Jul 2003 18:48


pgross8245.. i am from wisconsin!


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Velociraptor
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# Posted: 13 Jul 2003 22:36


I was reading all that stuff about pet stores... you're damn right about everything that is done, it's quite the same around here. I've seen pet store owners that don't even know what is a chameleon. Most of the reptiles are kept under bad conditions. Usually not mixed together tho, but in very small cages and with inadequate substrate.

But petstores aren't all the same. In fact, I work in my father's pet store. We've been in this buisness for almost 30 years now and even if our specialization is birds and fishes (we have cats dogs rodents too), we started keeping reptiles because we knew they were good pets. I must say we're clearly different from our competitors. We do inform ourselves a lot before even thinking about ordering new species. I'm in charge of that department, and that's why i'm here... to learn more and more about those magnific creatures.

One thing I can say that cheshireycat said already... Don't be afraid to gently correct these guys when you see stuff that wrong... animal lives are worth the effort!!!

It's nice to be here, I can tell I'll have a good time learning from everyone's experience

G'day,



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azureus06
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# Posted: 16 Jul 2003 14:54


some people mix small species of day geckos (phelsuma laticauda, Phelsuma klemmeri ,Phelsuma guimbeaui ...etc. NOT Phelsuma madagascariensis grandis) with darts or mantellas successfuly. I'd only mix mantellas with days since they both come from madagascar, though you would need a pretty big tank, and make sure theyre CB. Mixing is NOT recommended for begginers, but it CAN (but not should) be done successfully to an extent.

Velociraptor
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# Posted: 16 Jul 2003 17:10


Yeah, I think you're right. My dealer told me once he had successfully kept Uroplatus Phantasticus with his mantellas. That worked pretty well and made a nice tank, but still it isn't recommended.

But the original topic was about mixing frogs of different species together, not frogs with lizards. There's probably more possibilities to mix frogs with lizards without too much risk than mixing frogs with frogs.




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azureus06
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# Posted: 16 Jul 2003 17:24


yea, Uroplatus Phantasticus (or ebenauii) would work withh mantellas since they both like it cool...and only get 3-4" , but still (like you said) it isn't recommended.

cheshireycat
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# Posted: 16 Jul 2003 22:09


I'm keeping a very tiny Indo-Pacific gecko with my new tree froglets. The geckos are so passive that I can trust them with the frogs, even though I wouldn't trust keeping a baby anole in there the same way. They're both eating only ants and the tiniest of crix, so it works out well, so far.


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ginevive
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# Posted: 21 Jul 2003 13:43


I hate those pet shops who overcrowd and mix species heedlessly. I will not even drop a dime at these places, and I make sure to inform the people there why. Luckily I get my crix and mice from two very nice nearby shops; one shop only deals in fish and has very nice clean tanks, the other place gets the occasional snake or two and houses them properly.


-JEN- :)
Brian
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# Posted: 27 Jul 2003 07:38


Personally I thought it may be dangerous to mix some species even if they occur at the same ponds/streams in the wild due to things building up in the water. The one big exception I know is that you can keep most true toads species mixed with little problems. A few species are a definate no-no, but others are usually OK.

cheshireycat
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# Posted: 28 Jul 2003 03:05


If you religiously change the water, though, I don't think that in particular is an issue.

Anyway, update. I found out that the froglets are Cubans after all, so I removed the geckos. They're fine, but I'm not risking intoxication if I know better! But now there is a third gecko since I had a feeling I would find one in my door when I walked in, and when I did, there was one right there, lol. It's a tiny bit bigger than my other two, but only very slightly. Now I might have to separate the froglets because of the size differences between them. The ones that morphed the week before are almost twice as big, definitely twice as long. But they don't attack eachother or anything. I don't want to add any new morphs to this tank, though.


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Zookeep
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# Posted: 30 Jul 2003 05:51


Any herper who puts FBTs in with other species should be smacked. There's a chick I knew in school last year who has her FBTs in with other frogs, and she wonders why the frogs keep dying. She also wonders why her FBTs 'go at it' every night, but never lay eggs. Simple: they're male. But as you have a frog in there you suspect of eating the eggs, that could do it, too. *rolls eyes* I'd love to talk set-ups with her now that I know something about how to house frogs. Methinks I'd find her to have no bloody clue what she's doing.

Derek Benson
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# Posted: 30 Jul 2003 14:36


We should all remember, that with like azureus06 said, phelsuma and mantellas is not horrible, but madagascar is a large island with different regions (lowlands, highlands, etc.) which means different temperatures, humidity, enviroment, etc.


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cheshireycat
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# Posted: 30 Jul 2003 19:46


But everything I've heard about day geckos is that you barely touch their skin and it can fall off! So, just because the environments are the same I wouldn't necessarily feel free to stick them together.

Anyway, Zookeep, if you know someone who's keeping a mixed tank with FIRE BELLIED TOADS... man, I dunno. Do the frogs a favor and jack them from her or something. That's just dumb.


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azureus06
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# Posted: 30 Jul 2003 22:08


My P. grandis is super tame....I used to handle her, and take her outside on hot days,and not ONE speck of skin ever fell off. (Except a patch on her side, but that wasnt my fault). I never handled/touched the top though, just her belly...

cheshireycat
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# Posted: 31 Jul 2003 06:58


...Just what I heard!


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froglove42
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# Posted: 4 Aug 2003 22:49


When I was a kid my mom kept lots of animals, mostly iguanas. She had a 100 gallon that she setup beautifully, with one small flaw. She had two baby iguanas (6 inches) and some fish and newts, We never saw it but first one iguana tried to eat a newt and choked and died, then the second iguana tried the same thing, My mom happened by right after the second time, saw what was going on and pulled the newt from Neathan's mouth. The iguana lived, but it was a very costly lesson, with one iguana and two newts as casualties.
AND IT SEEMED LIKE THE PERFECT TANK!!!

I know this is post is about mixing frogs, but this is just to illustrate that mixing in general is not good... My mom had even thought it through and decided that the newts were too big for the iguanas to eat... and the iguanas did not spend too much time in the water to stress out the newts. They lived together for months before the tragedy, so it just goes to show, just cos something LOOKS COOL and seems fine for a while doesn't mean it is.

cheshireycat
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# Posted: 4 Aug 2003 23:57


That's very true! But very unfortunate...

Anyway, what kind of iguanas and newts were they?


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froglove42
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# Posted: 5 Aug 2003 15:41


fire belly newts, regular green iguanas.

spydergirl4594
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# Posted: 5 Aug 2003 18:59


what an odd mix!


-Sheryl
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