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# Posted: 24 Feb 2003 00:29 · Edited by: blink


There are many disadvantages to mixed or overcrowded tanks. There are no advantages for the frogs to be housed in a mixed species aquarium.

The main problem is the high stress level that the frogs have to overcome. They are not social creatures and do not like competition of any kind. Food, water and hiding places are all potential problematic situations. Some frogs are aggressive hunters, others are stalkers. Increased stress will lead to disease eventually and most amphibian diseases are very contagious.

Most frogs skin secretions are poisonous to some extent. The possible damage to another frog's skin will lead to problems.

These stresses are always a problem. If you have a 10 gal tank or a 100 gal tank.

Disease can not be eliminated, no matter how much you clean. You can take some very simple steps to eliminate stresses that will overwhelm the frog's immune system.

The only advantage to a mixed species tank is the owner's greed to want to have a 'community' tank. There is no community when referring to wild animals.

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# Posted: 24 Feb 2003 04:03


Nice post. I like that part about the cross toxicity. No one seems to realize although, per sae, a frog is not toxic, it may be toxic to another species of frog. Rio Grande chirping frogs can kill another species if kept in the same enclosure in a very quick exposure period. Some animals, such as Firebelly toads, can be toxic to themselves or others in the tank if the toxins are not removed. Andy


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# Posted: 2 Mar 2003 02:39


I was out of town today and went to a few pet stores. One we went to looked pretty good, but hardly any frogs. I started looking around and saw a dead leo gecko right out front...poor guy....starved. Then in my horror, I sw a tank. This tank had 3 white's treefrogs, 3 bibron's geckos, 2 golden gecko, and supposedly a malaysian painted frog or two. Sad stuff.

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# Posted: 18 Mar 2003 18:03


I have kept a rococo toad (Bufo parcnemis) and a cane toad (Bufo marinus) in the same tank, for years.
Both are very similar in appearance, need the same habitat requirements, similar in size.
So i think it is possible to mix some species of frogs, but for the majority of frogs i do not recommend it.


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# Posted: 20 Mar 2003 21:53


i saw the worst. it was a huge tank. it had a water dragon, green tree frogs, whites, red eye's, anoles, and a cuban. the girl said she thinks its funny when the dragon eats the frogs. ummm. she owned a pet shop. i told her off and left. it was horrible.


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# Posted: 30 Mar 2003 11:05


I don't think mixing frog species is a good idea, many people learn the hard way when a larger frog of a different species finds an imposter smaller frog tasty for its dinner. of course even frogs of the same species eat eachother but it seems to be more common when frogs are mixed.


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# Posted: 30 Mar 2003 19:05


i once went in a pet shop and saw a 10 gal. tank w/ about 6 whites and three iguanas. the whites were all huddled in the middle. their color was awful. i felt so bad. these are the stores we should never shop at as it just boost there ego. these shop will not learn until we stop buying. the sooner they learn that a good shop means cust. the better. And mark, good post. i hope it makes froggie lovers everywhere stop and think....

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# Posted: 1 Apr 2003 03:37 · Edited by: Charlie


Today I saw a tank with 2 marble gecko's and a crested gecko. The crested was missing its tail. I dont know if it was lost in that tank. But there is no reason that a reptile in captivity should lose its tail like that unless it is being mistreated. I hate going into sh*tty pet store's.

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Oh and they had an "albino" pac-man frog. Now I don't know a ton about albino animal's. But as far as I know "albino's" lack pigment and are white with pink eye's. This one had a white tone to it but it had green and brown making's with brown eye's. Am I wrong in thinking they are misadvertising the animal's?


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# Posted: 1 Apr 2003 17:24


If I'm not mistaken, an albino pac is orange and yellow - the green and brown sounds like a regular pac. If you have a peek at the pics just posted by Devin, his pac is an albino I believe.
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# Posted: 1 Apr 2003 22:19


That's what I thought. Next time I go in I will have to look at it better.


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# Posted: 2 Apr 2003 18:30


yeah im with becki on that one... just a bad case of mislabelling.


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# Posted: 4 May 2003 01:44


I went to a pet store today that was kinda bad, kinda ok. As I walked around, I saw all of the snake rack, etc. The turned the corner and saw a hughe tank with greek torts, leopard torts, a uromastyx, and frilled dragons. Then saw a 30 gallon tank with about 4 different turtles. Then about a 20 gallon with big eyed tree frogs, red and black walking frogs, and malaysian narrow motuh toads. The monitors and skinks were all seperate. I saw that the white's, tomatos, and barking tree frogs were all seperate. Some gecko species were mixed. But the thing that really made me flip was a tank that was about a 150 gallon bow front.I will list what animals were contained in this tank ( it was planted atleast):

about 20 anoles
10 green tree frogs
15 tadpoles (bullfrog and leopard)
large aquatic newts (species unknown)
8 mossy treefrogs
6 marbled treefrogs
rough green snakes were labeled
day geckos were labeled
tiger leg treefrogs
etc

I about blew my top, so I stuck around the tank and listened to the lady talk. People were buying tads, green treefrogs, and anoles. So I was a little glad they would all be seperate, atleast until they cam back to hear how great it was to keep anoles with greens. When I saw tiger leg tree frogs on the list, my heart sank. I searched everywhere but couldn't find any, so I was happy they must have sold fast. I was looknig at the barking treefrogs when I heard a lady say " Or, you can have this pretty little guy, he looks like a tiger" I junped up and hustled over there. The lady decided she didn't want to spend $26 on a tiger leg frog, so I did. I also found the only other in the tank and saved them both. Sad things that pet stores do. I'm just happy they didn't put the little mantella viridis who was in a small tank on top of the bow front in with them.


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# Posted: 4 May 2003 03:33


Hey if you are looking for specific species there is a place down here in flordia that has a real variety. Which does include Tiger-legged Monkey Tree Frogs. They had a tank with about 20 or so in there when I was there the day before yesterday. They do international shipping to I believe. The place is phenomenal and they are only about 11 miles away. (OH OH OH!!! One of my CTF's just called again. And the amplex attempt today!!! I think they are getting in the mood ).

Well anyhoo heres the link. Http://www.gherp.com. The place rocks.


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# Posted: 4 May 2003 03:52


I have heard bad things about Glades, could you please prove me wrong?


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# Posted: 4 May 2003 05:53 · Edited by: Charlie


I havent heard much about them other than there snakes dont always look the best. Whick I didnt see any problems with em other than some small snake tanks you couldnt really see the bottom there was so many in. The anphibians looked real well. Some tanks were really really crowded but when I was in there they were really really busy. I think the store needed to be a little bigger for a few more tanks thats all. That and they run out of crickets fast you have to get them on a wed or friday I think thats when they come in. They sell 100 crickets for 4 bucks and they are the only place in the area that sells piheads. All in all they arent to bad. Amphibs dont seem abused and they have azures. Most of the reps look healthy too. Just to many snakes in some cages.


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Editing to save the devil frog for another post.

If you have the initial start up cost. Then staying in business isnt as hard as it could be. If you had the money to buy tons of tanks. Or if you are handy you could build most of your racks and a lot of your tanks. And for snakes, you can just build a wall of cubbies to store smaller snaks in rubbermaids up there.

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# Posted: 4 May 2003 11:21


The problem with owning a reptile/amphibian store is that they are EXPENSIVE to start up. And when you do it correctly, it's even more expensive. And since people want to make the most money while spending the least money, they will say: "Ah, it'll be okay to house 6 different species together. If I do it that way, I wont have to spend another 200 bucks for seperate aquariums!" But in the long run when they start loosing hundreds of dollars in dead animals, not to mention the bad rep., they'll wonder where they went wrong. Grrr. Ever wonder why reptile stores that spent the extra money to house EVERY species seperate stay in business?
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# Posted: 4 May 2003 14:54


Wes,

Do they have 2 female sauvagei there? Says it on there web site, maybe you saw them? thanks


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# Posted: 4 May 2003 21:36 · Edited by: mve


my brother got 2 spotted salamanders form glades. they looked great.


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# Posted: 6 May 2003 00:52


The Petsmart over here isn't too great. They used to have a pretty good set up for the GTF and they only had to share with these tiny lizard things. But then Petsmart re-did the store and they are all squashed in a thing about 1/2 the size of my computer screen, with almost nothing to climb on. I want to buy them all and save them, but a) I don't have a tank big enouh for more than 2 really, annd b) the store will keep buying the and putting more in.

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# Posted: 6 May 2003 07:33


Only thing you can do really is bring it to there attention and hope it gets corrected. em around a lil'.


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# Posted: 16 May 2003 18:46


I have a medium sized white an asian grrenback a golden bell and a green tree frog in a 2o gallon long and the get along fine.They each have their ownhideing spot and often sit in the water together. Ive had them for about a year with no isues.
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# Posted: 1 Jun 2003 16:17


good info im never going to do anything like that the petstore guy said you should keep more then one speicies of frogs in one tank


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# Posted: 11 Jun 2003 07:34


Wait, the guy at the pet store said you SHOULD mix species? Like, not you CAN, but you SHOULD? And what would be the advantages to that?


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# Posted: 17 Jun 2003 20:36


I was watchign this show this morning that i sually watch befor ei leave for work called "Petsburgh,USA" on Animal PLanet. They had some certified herp guy come on and explain makign a frog terrarium. He did the gravel thign and the screen,and the bed a beast and soil and moss,made a really nice tank righ thtere on the show,but said that heat lamps werent necessary...ooook. then he just did his thing some more and then added 1 whites tree frog and a barking tree frog. what an idiot. i was so mad because hes suppossed to be someone who knows about those things and he mixed two species(IN A 10 GALLON TANK) right there on national television.moron made me mad and i wasnt even in work yet.ugh!


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# Posted: 17 Jun 2003 20:49


Saw that a while back, nice tank, but too small and don't mix them. Didn't they have a gtf in there also?


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# Posted: 17 Jun 2003 22:39


some frogs dont need a basking lamp I suppose. As long as the ambient room temp is close to there natural temps.


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# Posted: 18 Jun 2003 04:22


I think a barking TF would need a heat lamp, though. And a 10-gallon is pretty tiny for two rather large TFs. I've never heard of that show.. do they only air it early?


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# Posted: 18 Jun 2003 04:27


yeh its on like 7 am EST. They usually dont talk about reptiles,only like dogs cats and birds and stuff so i was excited today to see this,until he startd talking,lol. it was such a nice viv too,just a shame to see that someone "educated" looks to know less then i do.


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# Posted: 18 Jun 2003 04:44 · Edited by: cheshireycat


Well, I'm not going to be all anal over what other people do, but mixing species that are different sizes and come from totally, totally different places should be an obvious disaster to most people, especially "experts." And those are big frogs, so a 10-gallon?

What really sucks is that he's teaching that to x-viewers, though.


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# Posted: 22 Jun 2003 17:57


Mixing species is almost never a good idea. I hate to walk into a pet store and see, say, a treefrog in with a firebelly toad. I will just walk right out of the store, not even spend a dollar for catnip. Your post said it completely.


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