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chubby2
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# Posted: 10 Aug 2004 03:45


How do i manage to ship a frog? like, what do i put it in and uh...stuff..????


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Derek Benson
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# Posted: 10 Aug 2004 12:31


Here's the explaination from the inside out. You put the frog in a deli cup (each frog should get own deli cup), then surround with a packing material like peanuts, newspaper, etc. Put a cool pack or heat pack (if none is needed, then use neither) in with the frog. Put all of that material, temperature pack, and frog(s)in a styrofoam box. Then put the styrfoam box in a cardboard box, take it to an overnight shipper (UPS, Fed-Ex, Airborne Express, etc.) and have it shipped out overnight. Hope this helps.


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lostriver
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# Posted: 11 Aug 2004 01:40


I would add that you might want to put in a couple of plant leaves with some moisture in the Deli-cup and have some small air holes in it, as well. UPS overnight and Airborne both do a great job in my experience--less than 24 hours cross country if they are shipped on a date that doesn't involve a week-end. Also check your ambient temperatures from where you are shipping and to where you are shipping. Ship when neither is extreme one way or another. (Preferably under 80 degrees or under and over 65 F.) Be sure to indicate "this side up," etc. Notify your recipient and make sure he is going to be available to receive the frogs. And don't miss the shipping date deadline yourself. Depending upon where you are, you can get them out by 4:00 PM and they will be received by 2:00 or 3:00 PM the next day.


Lee
yellowboy
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# Posted: 11 Aug 2004 02:02


wet paper towel in the delicup is good for the frog

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# Posted: 11 Aug 2004 02:10 · Edited by: Derek Benson


I would have to agree, white paper towels and pothos. Moss usuaully isn't that great.


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lostriver
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# Posted: 11 Aug 2004 04:11


Ferns fronds or a couple of oak leaves (for darts,) pothos for larger frogs. No moss or dirt that comes with it. Nothing that can get "soggy."


Lee
Pondlady
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# Posted: 11 Aug 2004 15:57


Isn't overnight express by plane? I would be afraid of shipping a live animal unless I was sure it wouldn't be in the unheated, un-pressurized belly of the plane. Check with the company to see how they transport live animals and be sure the species is legal at it's destination.


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chubby2
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# Posted: 11 Aug 2004 17:17


thanks! This definitally helped.


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lostriver
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# Posted: 12 Aug 2004 18:07


Pondlady--I don't know the details of where live shipments are kept in a plane for overnight express, but have received over 50 frogs at different times from breeders without a single problem so far. (Knock on wood.) It's just the only alternative for any kind of distance shipping of live animals.


Lee
Derek Benson
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# Posted: 13 Aug 2004 00:14


Lee, what frogs do you keep? Send me an e-mail if you don't want it public, shaqfrog@hotmail.com


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lostriver
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# Posted: 13 Aug 2004 01:34 · Edited by: Moderator


Derek--No secret. At present, I have Dendrobates: galactonotus (pumpkin orange splash back), auratus (blue morphs), leucomelas (a bunch--some yellow and some orange), and thumbnails: pumilio (Bastimentos & red), reticulatus, fantasticus and imitator, as well as Phyllobates: mint green terribilis. (Love 'em. They should be more popular, especially for beginners.) Almost forgot them: a few ADF's and a wild caught (not by me) spadefoot toad (just released back to his original garden.) I'm on a waiting list for some green pumilios, and building a new tank for a pair of D. azureus.

I also have the sagebrush lizard and the Desert horned lizard, (my only "mix" ), also wild caught, but not by me. In the past, I've kept some American bull frogs (in pond when I lived where ponds were possible in a different area), and leopard frogs for sickening laboratory stuff in college. I had a desert tortoise as a kid, which lived for 40 years, given to me before they were illegal to keep, as well as the obligatory sliders and painted turtles, when they were still being sold at Woolworths for a dime, and a couple of really nasty snapping turtles my grandfather caught for me to keep in a huge bathtub in the yard in Mendicino Co., CA. These were subsequently released back into their habitat when I came close to losing a finger trying to "tame" them. I also had some blue tailed skinks and various and assundry wild caught snakes while growing up. These all lived a few years, but that wasn't because they were in ideal conditions. There were no care sheets in those days.

The Woolworth turtles invariably died of soft shell from lack of calcium and UV, or escaped from their little turtle islands and dried up on the carpet. They didn't come with care-sheets. I think the big Salmonella scare and banning them from the Woolworth sales and "win a turtle" at a Carnival (for human protection, not their own,) did more for their general welfare than anything.

At least now, kids have these kinds forums and seem to care about taking care of their herps. I've made a lot of ignorant mistakes, and if possible don't want them repeated by others over and over.

Back to the subject of shipping: All of my darts have been shipped to me, from places as far away as the East coast or Missouri to Idaho, (a minimum of 4 at a time) with the overnight expresses, either Airborne or UPS. Any reliable breeder knows the best way to ship, so trust them. Not one has arrived either stressed out or dead. Maybe this has just been luck so far, but there is no other way to do it.


Lee
Derek Benson
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# Posted: 13 Aug 2004 02:57


In my opinion Airborne is the best way to ship. I've shipped out a few frogs with it and know Patrick uses it ( I don't have to have frogs shipped form him, because he goes to Kansas City Expo, haha).

Lee, very nice, I've been wanting to try orange galacts and blue auratus. I have some Phyllobates aurotaenia right now, as far as darts go.


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lostriver
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# Posted: 13 Aug 2004 04:27


I'm envious of your P. aurotaenia. I've never found them for sale from a breeder. Where can I get them?

Patrick does everything perfectly in my view, from shipping to the frogs he sends and his personal concern after. Black Jungle is reliable and efficient.

Have you looked at my posts of the shy blue aruatus on the photo section yet?


Lee
Derek Benson
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# Posted: 13 Aug 2004 23:06


Yes, your pictures are awesome.

There's a guy I know, who I am buying some painted mantellas from soon, who breeds P. aurotaenia and people who I've talked to who have seen them say his are extremely large for P. aurotaenia and very vibrant, must be one of a kind. His e-mail is UnderAutumnSkies@aol.com his name's Jonathan Beetle. Tell him I told you and he will know who I am. I think I will get some D. leucomleas after the painted mantellas, as I jsut got a group of frogs today (see post) and have to get thme around.


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lostriver
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# Posted: 14 Aug 2004 02:59


Thanks for the contact, Derek.

I did see your post about the group of frogs you just acquired. I don't know how you keep up with all of this. It takes me more hours doing daily frog chores than I spend making enough money to support the family, farm, and this hobby per day.

We're all insane.


Lee
hnn17
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# Posted: 18 Sep 2004 02:05


hello
just need to ask a question about shipping frogs, for the above methods mentioned. what happened if there's a delay in delivery ? how long can the frog survive in the package/box, longer than 3 days ?

Josh
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# Posted: 18 Sep 2004 04:22


It really all depends on the weather, if it's above 80 degrees where its being shipped it may not make it, and if it's below 60 degrees where it's being shipped it may not make it.


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lostriver
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# Posted: 18 Sep 2004 05:00


It also depends upon the kind of frog and the age of the frog. A recent Airborne shipment was misdirected and took 72 hours instead of the usual less than 24 hours. All 8 baby dart frogs were not only dead, but stinking rotten dead. I should mention that this was a rare, isolated event. While the temperatures were right at both ends, who knows what they were where they were misdirected or what dock they may have been sitting on in the sun in the meantime. The shipper replaced them at his own expense, which any reputable shipper will do. That still didn't make anyone feel much better about the loss of 8 relatively rare frogs.


Lee
hnn17
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# Posted: 22 Sep 2004 03:11


hey thanks for replying, the weather was 20-23 degree C, i'm happy to say my frog arrived still alive- it's a white lipped tree frog 3cm long, it was in the package from thursday until monday, was supposed to be delivered on friday. anyway it's fine and eating, i had almost gave up and expect it to arrive dead and stinky like what happened to the darts frogs.

lostriver
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# Posted: 22 Sep 2004 04:50


You were lucky. Thursday until Monday shipping isn't acceptable. It's way out of line. Any frog shipping should be within 24 hours, either airborne or UPS overnight. Some frogs are tougher, and I'm glad you had a tough frog.


Lee
hnn17
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# Posted: 22 Sep 2004 05:51


it was next business day delivery, thurs-fri, but somehow they messed up and had to be stored over the weekend for delivery on monday, it's tough alright, 4 days without food for a baby frog usually kills 'em.

Anonymous


# Posted: 23 Oct 2004 23:51


"it was next business day delivery, thurs-fri, but somehow they messed up and had to be stored over the weekend for delivery on monday"

There goes out a lesson to everyone: ship them monday morning for best possible chances!
Anonymous


# Posted: 25 Feb 2005 22:55


how long do you think my shipment of a frog will come?
Heather
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# Posted: 25 Feb 2005 23:56


Anonymous Please do not pull up threads that have laid silent for over a year. If you have a question... register and start a new topic


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