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andaroo
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# Posted: 4 Apr 2011 13:51


I've had my milk frogs from babies and they had the normal brown striped markings. As they have grown these brown patches didn't seem to grow and have "seperated" creating strange brown patterns on their backs. Could this be a morph of some kind?










they are just under a year old and 65mm and still growing.


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Mercedesherp
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# Posted: 4 Apr 2011 14:03


It looks like there is potential to develop this. You should try to find out who produced them as there may be many others that display this. Very interesting.


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Chaya14
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# Posted: 4 Apr 2011 15:02


im not being helpful...but... they are gorgeous! i love them! and they look very happy!

bschwinn
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# Posted: 4 Apr 2011 15:13


I like those. Where did you get them?

andaroo
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# Posted: 4 Apr 2011 17:59


dartfrog.co.uk

He may have got them from hamm?


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Mercedesherp
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# Posted: 4 Apr 2011 23:49


Do you have any pics of the frogs as they have grown and begun to display this coloration? Is the other AMF you have from the same parents?
It would be nice to know how long the pattern break-up took to occur.
I suggest you try to develop a name for this possible new morph.


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bschwinn
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# Posted: 5 Apr 2011 00:11


I would suggest someone send me a few

jesse kooiman
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# Posted: 5 Apr 2011 00:36


If they came from Hamburg, maybe someone in Germany has the works going on in their basement. I'm amazed at european lists, would love to visit the Hamburg show someday. Looks like someone was trying to create them, as both have the weird pattern. Doubt it's just luck. Those are rad! JVK


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kimix
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# Posted: 5 Apr 2011 01:21


Wow! Those are amazing, you are very lucky!


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Sharky
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# Posted: 5 Apr 2011 03:55


Wow, those are really neat. I would call them Reticulated Milk Frogs. =)


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bschwinn
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# Posted: 5 Apr 2011 06:38


Shatter Phase!

andaroo
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# Posted: 5 Apr 2011 07:54


and to think I was contemplating selling them because they both wouldn't stop croaking every night all night for that last 2 weeks! They have stopped now though. I contacted the guy i got them from so we'll see what he says!

The problem is if this was a morph you would never know it until they had grown as the juveniles looked normal.

I'm calling it the andaroo morph LOL


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matthew polver
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# Posted: 5 Apr 2011 21:28 · Edited by: matthew polver


EDIT: sorry read it wrong.

fieldnstream
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# Posted: 5 Apr 2011 22:53


I think the 2.1 is for his Leptopelis, it says 2.0 in front of the Milkies


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fieldnstream
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# Posted: 6 Apr 2011 01:35


That is what my milkies looked like right before they turned baby-poop brown. I have heard that some keep their juvenile coloration throughout adulthood. Anyone have this experience?


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Mercedesherp
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# Posted: 7 Apr 2011 21:09


Fieldnstream,
How long was the transition between your animals looking like this to turninig "baby-poop" brown? Are you able to photo document this? Can you supply photos of the "baby-poop" brown that you may now have.
All info is important as we try to develop an understanding of hormonal changes, as well as, potential genetic dilution . A concise understanding of melanophore evolution during the early adult or reproductive stages via hormonal exchanges or modifications may be explained by your experience. Perhaps the coloration is more developmental than genetic.


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fieldnstream
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# Posted: 7 Apr 2011 21:46


For the two I had I would say the transition was quite gradual, about 18 months or so. Honestly this was about 5 years ago, so times are my best guesses The stark black and white juvi pattern slowly broke up into the most commonly observed marbling. If I had to guess I would estimate that they looked similar to those above about a year after I got them (though the reticulations were much less defined/attractive). Within a few months they were light brown, similar to T. venulosus, but without the contrasting dorsal markings. I traded them shortly after the color change. The only pictures I had were on an old cellphone (a Razor, yep its been that long). I know that without photo verification I have little credibility, but I have nothing to gain from fabrication. I wish I could be of more help. If you are looking at developmental factors, I can tell you that temps were in upper 70's to lower 80's and humidity was in the 70-75% range. They were fed crickets gut-loaded with carrot and dusted with Herptivite and Rep-Cal. If I left anything important out, or if you have any more questions just let me know.


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bschwinn
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# Posted: 7 Apr 2011 21:53


I have a question, does the breeder ever export his frogs to the US, ?

andaroo
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# Posted: 8 Apr 2011 18:21 · Edited by: andaroo


I don't know who the breeder is and the guy i got them from never got back to me about any info on them.

I noticed the patterning around the beginning of january. They haven't gotten any darker they are still grey/white during the day. At night they obviously turn darker, as most frogs do.
Whether they turn brown or not I won't be parting with them so I can keep you updated on their transformations (if any!)


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Mercedesherp
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# Posted: 9 Apr 2011 22:50


That would be great. Please follow up on future pics of color change.
Now that I think about it, should there be a resultant "white colored" frog, I don't think you would have to do much in re-nameing it, Milkfrog just may work...... now.. what to call the others?


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fieldnstream
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# Posted: 10 Apr 2011 02:25


I've got some alternate names.....Oreo Treefrogs? Psychedelic Chessboard Treefrogs? Ebony and Ivory Treefrogs? Splotched Zebraesque Treefrogs?


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Cheryl Andrews
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# Posted: 12 Apr 2011 01:27


That's really neat. If it can be bred then that is a definate possibility to be on everyone's want list.

andaroo
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# Posted: 20 Mar 2014 07:19


I totally forgot about this thread lol. A quick update on these guys. I still have them they are very healthy and happy. They are now 4 years old. Their coloring stayed the same. No "baby poop browning" like fieldnstream's.
Still never heard back from the guy I got them from lol!


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