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Al_frog
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# Posted: 30 Apr 2008 05:48


About the middle of last August me and a friend purchased a few batches of this beautiful frog from a Southern California company. They pretty much looked great coming in, with some larger thought to be female and some smaller thought to be males. We had a few die early and then a bunch die later and last week I was looking in on my last large and beautiful female thinking I would get some replacement males next time they came around. Then 2 days later it was dead! No external clues, nice and fat, etc. We are both flat out now. We both have had L. flavomaculatus and L. vermiculatus and they thrive more or less forever. From what I have read I concluded that they might like it a bit cooler but I'm not sure about my data on that. Has anyone kept these long term and/or does anyone have any idea what may be the proper conditions under which they survive/thrive? Thanks! (Also posted elsewhere)

blankminded
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# Posted: 30 Apr 2008 16:38


I was thinking about getting a few of these myself. I couldnt find much data on them either. I did however hear they do like it a little cooler then most. You said u got them from a So Cal company, im guessing you got them from mfezi. Im sure if you E-mail Donald if could give you some better info on them. I was gonna do the same once i get a viv set up and was able to buy some.


Instead of keeping more species, why not do more with the species you keep?
Al_frog
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# Posted: 30 Apr 2008 17:07


We did not get them from Mfezi but from the wholesale branch of Eco-Regional. I haven't seen too many ads from them recently. I usually find Mfezi's prices out of my range although perhaps the quality of the product justifies their prices. I think the product from E-R was fine in this case (at least in general comparison to similar types of sellers). My feeling is that if these were easy to keep we would be seeing a lot more of them as they are very attractive.

spawn
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# Posted: 30 Apr 2008 23:05 · Edited by: spawn


OKAY. I did it. It only took two hours. But after looking at the ranges of L. parkerii, seeing that it apparently spans mountainous areas only, and looking up the latitude and surrounding cities/towns of the mountain ranges, and finally deciding the most prolific area of the frogs would have to be in the eastern side of the Usambara Mountains, I found a document detailing reforestation, and in it listing "temperature ranges from an annual mean of 15 degrees C at 1500 m within forest to 19.6 degrees C at 1370 m in a deforested area" (source p. 27).

The mountains are very moist, and thick in vegetation. A lot of rainfall and 80% humidity. Based on the readings I did this afternoon, it reminds me of the US' grey tree frog, preferring colder, northern climates to the southern more tropical frogs. By the way, Fahrenheit conversions of the aforementioned temperatures indicates a mean of 59 degrees F and a peak of 67 degrees F.



Sources

1) http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/theses/available/etd-12182 002-111412/unrestricted/etd.pdf

2) http://berkeleymapper.berkeley.edu/run.php?ViewRes ults=tab&tabfile=http%3A%2F%2Famphibiaweb.org%2Ftm pfiles%2F968154&configfile=http%3A%2F%2Famphibiawe b.org%2Ftmpfiles%2Fbm_config_959383.xml&sourcename =AmphibiaWeb+Species+Map%3A+Leptopelis+parkeri&amp hibiaweb=true&label=1&opacity=0.50&

3) http://amphibiaweb.org/cgi/amphib_query?query_src= aw_lists_genera_&where-genus=Leptopelis&where-spec ies=parkeri


If anyone else has more up-to-date information on captive care for the frogs, or the region, please share it. I'm merely extrapolating what I read. You'd be surprised to find how hard it is to find ANY temperatures anywhere near the mountain ranges this frog occupies. Most of the information on climate/live-weather (as sparse as it is) is several miles OUTSIDE the green areas of elevation.

spawn
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# Posted: 30 Apr 2008 23:09


By the way, as far as I know, Don is still doing work in Africa. His partner is handling the domestic retail business right now, as per the forum on his website. They're both uber snake guys, so I doubt they know anything about the frogs other than their origins and exporter information.

Al_frog
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# Posted: 1 May 2008 02:51


Spawn- Thanks for doing so much work on this. I think I saw that forestry paper but was unsure just what it meant in relation to the actual micro-environment the frogs spend their time in. I think I may have overlooked the aspect of moisture conditions they might like. It is really hard to keep a small environment in the 80+% humidity without having stagnation and a build up of fungi and bacteria. If they really like a top of ~70F then they may not be all that practical for me to keep but they sure are great looking frogs. Still hope to hear from someone who has kept them successfully LT.

Rick Cabrera
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# Posted: 1 May 2008 03:32


Ive had mine for about 8 months now. They both had been doing fine except for the female died about a week and a half ago. It also was nice and fat. When i picked her up her legs were really red which was weird because when i first saw her showing symptoms of sickness(not eating, staying on the floor) it still has its yellow color. I usually keep them between 68-75 degrees, about the same way i keep my red eyes. the humidity stays at around 60-80 some times dropping to 50 but never higher then 80 or lower then fifty. Hopefully that helps a little bit. I usually keep all my leptopelis ike that and that was my first leptopelis fatality.


2 Red eyes, 1 albino red eye, 3 Bumble bee Dart frogs, 2 Green and Black Auratus
Al_frog
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# Posted: 1 May 2008 03:48


Rick- Sounds familiar in that my last female died at just over 8 months! Thanks for the info.

blankminded
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# Posted: 2 May 2008 03:04


Spawn Awsome researh.. I would still like to try these guys and with more info like this they should do good. As far as don ive only met him a few times so i dont know how much he knows about frogs but i know myke very well. As you stated myke is a hardcore snake guy but knows his share about frogs.


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