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Bufotoxin
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# Posted: 19 Feb 2004 05:42
looking to buy 1 maybe 2 bufo alvarius -sonoran desert toad/colorado river toad for my personal collection, i love the look of these guys and the fact they are the largest us species of toad, i cannot for the life of me find any though any help would be great, thanks. Jeff
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Brian
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# Posted: 19 Feb 2004 05:51 · Edited by: Brian
Because they are prohibited.
They aren't as critically endangered as other Bufo, but they are protected in both Arizona and California and you won't get a permit. Mexico may be a possibility as I don't know the status there. Since they have modified "Bufotoxin" they may also be drug laws against them.
Once I saw a Bufo alvarius eat a snake. If these guys weren't so water loving they could give Bufo marinus a run for it's money.
Myself I'd like some Oak Toads.
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Josh
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# Posted: 19 Feb 2004 05:58
I know someone has posted about having colorado river toads, I don't remember who though. So I know you can get them I just don't know what you gotta go through to get them.
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Brian
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# Posted: 19 Feb 2004 06:02 · Edited by: Brian
I know, but they are illegal in the US. They occationally intercept some at the California/Arizonia border from the drug trade. If you buy some you are buying from smugglers and if you catch them you are technically poaching.
For the record,
the very cool looking
Yosemite Toad (sexes look different), Black Toad (some are jet black colored with a stripe), and the Arroyo Toad (a unique tadpole and critically endangered) are also very cool looking toads that are prohibited.
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Derek Benson
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# Posted: 19 Feb 2004 16:27
Brian, you can find oak toads on snake food sites, it sounds bad, but they are about the only place you can find them.
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Josh
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# Posted: 19 Feb 2004 18:45
I see oak toads for sale all the time on the kingsnake classifieds, if you want them look there.
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Brian
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# Posted: 19 Feb 2004 19:05
I should also mention that I'm trying not to pay 60 bucks for shipping $3 worth of animals.
Actually the reason I want them is to do a little behavioral thing with them and compare the behavior to other small poisonous frogs. 
I'll look at the snake food option, any suggestions for sites?
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Josh
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# Posted: 19 Feb 2004 19:11
Oh, have you talked to your local pet shops then, maybe they're willing to special order them in for you if they have them on their order lists.
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Brian
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# Posted: 20 Feb 2004 02:47
Hmm, didn't think of that, but I don't know any shop that orders toads for food even the more exotic type ones.
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Josh
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# Posted: 20 Feb 2004 03:20
Who says they need to order them for food, if they carry other frogs or toads they could have them on their lists for pets.
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# Posted: 8 Apr 2004 23:22 · Edited by: Moderator
Looking for a couple of bufo alvarius. I already have 2 and I love them as pets. They put down mice, superworms, and crickets like crazy. I built a 90-100 gallon terrarium/habitat that they swim. My next addition is a device is a timed fogger.
Please write me back
Chad: ntsb104@aol.com
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Brian
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# Posted: 9 Apr 2004 03:38 · Edited by: Brian
You really shouldn't ask that.
Bufo alvarius if it appears in the pet trade is almost certainly illegally snatched from the wild. Don't remember if they are officially on the endangered/threatened species list, but they are protected everywhere in the US that they natrually occur ( Arizonia/California).
That said they are probably the coolest North American toad in my opinion.
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Josh
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# Posted: 9 Apr 2004 05:04
I'm looking stuff up fr you guys on legality of the Bufo alvarius species in various states.
Here's some of my findings.
New Mexico-Protected.
California-Endangered.
As of July 1st, 2001, it is ILLEGAL to sell or purchase wild-caught reptiles and amphibians which are native to New Mexico. If you wish to keep a native New Mexican herp as a companion animal, please purchase one through a reliable breeder. It is important not to deplete our Native New Mexican herps by contributing to over-collection, and it is important as well not to break the law by selling or buying wild-caught specimens.
The venom of toads is currently classified as controlled substance.
That's all I can find about it, nothing saying you can't keep them in states other than New Mexico and California, but you may need a controlleds substance permit to keep them, since their poison is considered a controlled substance. That's a federal law not state or local law.
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Brian
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# Posted: 9 Apr 2004 06:12 · Edited by: Brian
I know you can't in California and Arizonia is very regulated as well.
While I see nothing wrong with a local kid keeping a toad as a pet I'm just saying it's better not to solicit for this species both because of the law and because of the type of people who would sell one.
What I don't know about is if it's legal in Mexico.
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Josh
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# Posted: 9 Apr 2004 18:25
Oh, here's a place that must have them on occasion since they have them listed in their order page http://www.bouncingb.com/bufo_alvarius.php they're currently out of stock, but you may want to contact them to have them get ahold of you when they get more in.
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FrogHut
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# Posted: 10 Apr 2004 02:27
I recently moved from Arizona.... I both kept and sold them.... It was a little scary but they sold well. After a good rain, if you knew where to look, you could find hundreds sitting in the road.
You might want to think twice before keeping these toads. They are big and messy. I also had three adult african bullfrogs.. (2 males, 1 female) both males were around 3 pounds each. Anyhow, compared to the african bullfrogs, the sonoran desert toad was a mess....
If you do find one to buy, please make sure you keep any pets or kids away from the toad. And always wash your hands after touching the toad.
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Brian
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# Posted: 10 Apr 2004 03:44 · Edited by: Brian
Maybe you can take them with a AZ fish license as I look on their website. I do remember something about trying to get them on the Federal Endangered list a while back though. I can only find prohibited Rana species though.
CA border agents will seize Bufo alvarius though.
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Brian
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# Posted: 10 Apr 2004 08:48
Oh I should say I wasn't saying anything bad about everyone who sold them. Just that this is THE toad of the drug trade and attracts people who not only mistreat the toad, but are in it for the drug buck.
I hope no one took offense.
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Brian
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# Posted: 12 Apr 2004 04:44
Last time I'll bump this. Icouldn't find where I heard they were protected in Arizona. But the Toad article in Feb (04?) Reptile magazine does list them as protected in both California and Arizona.
Since that's the entire range (I thought)in the US unless they come from Mexico (which I've never heard of) I'd think you can't own them in other states regardless of if they have a rule on them or not.
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FrogMama
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# Posted: 10 May 2004 06:09
Living in AZ, and looking to find a Bufo? Any good spots where someone had good luck.
Thanks
FrogMama
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Anonymous
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# Posted: 16 Nov 2004 04:59
I believe only captive breed are legal??
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Brian
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# Posted: 16 Nov 2004 06:28 · Edited by: Brian
In theory.I guess you could also import from Mexico with permits if you could get approval.
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spawn
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# Posted: 16 Nov 2004 21:11 · Edited by: spawn
Wait, did you say there are people who get high off toads? AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh man, that is great. Ridiculously terrible too. Don't be offended that I'm laughing because I dislike animal cruelty (I am unknowledgeable as to how they get the poison) too. I just thought there was enough drugs on the streets as it is.
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mve
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# Posted: 16 Nov 2004 21:16
you never heard of college kids licking toads? South American Tribes have used toad toxins in ceremonies. Another method is to scrape the toxin off the toad and let it crystalize, they then would smoke this from a pipe. not smart.
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mve
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# Posted: 16 Nov 2004 21:20
here is a link about it.
http://www.uwsp.edu/psych/s/290/ToadSmoke-WSJ94.htm
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macspoison
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# Posted: 22 Nov 2004 20:20
It is legal to collect Colorado river toads in Az. with a current fishing license. There are several good collecting spots at the south/east spot of the state. There is also a famous road south of Chandler that was very good. I believe the legal limit in the state is 20 in possesion. I found my spots in part due to the over whelming support from the local fish & game officers. They fear this is a very destructive species. But on the other hand one of the most impressive animals you will ever discover. This toad will actually charge at you and can run at a fast pace. I lived in Prescott Az. for three years and fell in love with those monsoon nights. I still enjoy looking at my collecting notes from those years. They get me through the cold Maine nights.
Mac
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Brian
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# Posted: 23 Nov 2004 02:23
Is that current info though? I mean did you collect them in the last few years or did you do that longer ago? The only info I found was a recent article in reptiles magazine saying they were protected in CA and AZ if I remember.
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Anonymous
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# Posted: 29 Dec 2004 21:42
you don't want to lick the toads lol... that is just urban myth with a small basis in reality. What I mean by that is although you do get high from licking the toad, you only get mildly high and can get quite sick.
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Brian
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# Posted: 30 Dec 2004 05:06
B. alvarius actually has a little modification to one of the toxic chemicals which makes it extremely good at making you see things. You'll get a very big trip in theory with this species although it probably still has the potential to make you sick.
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spawn
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# Posted: 30 Dec 2004 08:43
although it probably still has the potential to make you sick.
Hopefully. It is a poison. (no-don't lick it)
Who knew this guy could make you hallucinate?
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