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greene
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# Posted: 15 Feb 2012 00:44


Can you guys tell me more about them


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bschwinn
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# Posted: 15 Feb 2012 01:07


They are evil, they suck!What do you know about them?

greene
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# Posted: 15 Feb 2012 01:28


I heard l that they catch rattlesnakes and kill them saying that they are reducing the amount of snake bites to humans and livestock and is a significant role in the decreasing number of rattlesnakes in the US


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# Posted: 15 Feb 2012 01:40


They have many reasons for them. Wild populations are a big part of them. Sales of meat and parts is another part. It is nothing different from open deer season or quail season, or anyone that rapes the land for wild caught frogs or anything else. They all have a good side and a bad side.



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greene
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# Posted: 15 Feb 2012 01:47


Yeah but they should have some limit on how many you can have


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# Posted: 15 Feb 2012 01:54


Same can be said for reptiles, amphibians of all sorts.



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# Posted: 15 Feb 2012 01:55


And there is a limit on time.



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# Posted: 15 Feb 2012 01:57


Roundups also pump a shit ton of money into local economies, and in this day and time that is a good thing.



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greene
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# Posted: 15 Feb 2012 02:09


Yeah I guess it isn't that bad of a thing but what do you mean by they have a lot of time


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BIG HYDRO
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# Posted: 15 Feb 2012 02:21


No, I said they have a time limit. It's not like it is a year round thing. Just like all hunting seasons, there is a time limit.

Also, the roundups are where most of the anti-venom comes from as well. The snakes must be turned in alive and undamaged. Then the collector will milk them, skin them, package meat, sell the skins for clothing, belts, etc., the rattles are sold for souvenirs, many stuffed by taxidermist, etc.

Exact same premise as Swamp People on History channel. Surprised they don't have a show about rattlesnake hunting yet.



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greene
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# Posted: 15 Feb 2012 02:25


Yeah I know I typed it wrong
How would you milk a snake?


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BIG HYDRO
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# Posted: 15 Feb 2012 02:36 · Edited by: BIG HYDRO


How would you milk a snake?


Gently squeeze it's nipples.

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greene
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# Posted: 15 Feb 2012 02:42


In that video it looks like they are taking its venom


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bschwinn
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# Posted: 15 Feb 2012 03:11


That is how they milk them. No one is even mentioning the huge damage inflicted when the hunters spray gasoline in the dens and tunnels to drive them out, which also poisons them and any other hapless occupant that depends upon these hibernaculums for habitat. And when the hunt is but a memory, the poisoned burrows still continue to kill for some time. So I think this outweighs any perceived good that promoters claim they do.I have seen first hand in florida damage caused by gassing in south florida. And how void of all life these areas become after destroying these areas , if even it is only for a limited amount of time.

greene
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# Posted: 15 Feb 2012 03:20


Yeah they should stop it before it gets in a river or lake


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bschwinn
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# Posted: 15 Feb 2012 03:27


They don't use enough to get into waterways with the way it is applied with sprayers, and gas evaporates rapidly in exposed areas.

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# Posted: 15 Feb 2012 04:17 · Edited by: BIG HYDRO


Gassing is an outdated way to hunt, as well as against the rules at many roundup, though I have seen the same areas and dens hunted for decades with gas and still has plenty of wildlife in and around them each year. Traps and pinners are recommended and legal methods for many roundups. Gassing and shooting are not because they harm or damage the animals.
Some roundups also have a ten snake limit for the roundup as well. There is alot more bad shit going on with the environment that rattlesnake roundups.



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# Posted: 15 Feb 2012 04:19


Should also say that there is a huge difference between snake hunting and snake roundups.



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fr0gcr4zy
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# Posted: 15 Feb 2012 10:50


The hunt is a disgrace to reason. First of all, its "show" reasons are propaganda, and its inherent reasons are prejudice.

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# Posted: 15 Feb 2012 15:17 · Edited by: BIG HYDRO


I guess the same could be said about reptile shows as well since they rape the land for wild caught frogs, put on a show, then sell them as disposable pets to people who have never done a single ounce of research on how to keep them. Or the snake breeders that do the same thing and then the snakes get released into the wild later.

Roundups started as a way for the community to collect in overpopulated areas, then later came the show that goes along with it.

Funny I never hear anything about the "regular" hunting and fishing seasons. Fishing tournaments are no different. Everyone goes out and fishes out as many as they can get, turn them in for prizes, etc.

Or the thousands of deer killed each year in the name of population control. Or bear hunting in Alaska.

And by the way, it's "show" reasons are for entertainment purposes as well as many others. People should educate themselves on the subject before making assumptions. Go to a couple of roundups and see exactly what goes on there. See exactly it is they are trying to do besides hunting snakes. Lots of educational things going on there for both children and adults. The "show" aspect is in many different hobbies of hunting and fishing.

You want something to bitch about, why not the frog jumping contest where you go get the biggest frog you can, set him on the ground, and then slap the shit out of the ground repeatedly in order to scare the living shit out of the frogs just so they will jump, all while a large crowd circles them and screams?

Have yet to hear anyone bitching about the history channel where they kill gator after gator that has never done a thing to anyone except live. All in the name of overpopulation, yet the true reason has become the almighty dollar. They are also hunted for their meat, hides, claws, heads, teeth, etc.

Or the new fishing shows, or the hunting shows where they hunt purely for a trophy to be mounted on the wall.

You want something to complain about, then try this on for size.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedd ed&v=oxVwsA2MLWA



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fr0gcr4zy
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# Posted: 16 Feb 2012 11:04


None of the germans complained during the Jewish Holocaust of Nazi Germany. Only later, when the allies took over, did majority of them recognise the severity and indignity of their support for Hitler.

Similarly, all of the examples you have posted up there are inherently uncalled for. You mentioned, quote "in the name of population control", which also means that it is publicised as a means to population control, and committed for other more foolish reasons.

I certainly believe the exotics trade or even fish trade is flawed, not enough legislation, not enough actual people who are capable of running the entirety of this with decency.

Needless to say, the fur trade is just as bad.

I'm not against the killing of animals, we're just all part of this ecosystem. What is problematic is the overconsumption, and zealous killing, though I must say, I have only read about the rattlesnake roundups from outdated books. Perhaps, we have come to a point where maturity is exercised in such activity.

Still, I want to point out, that if we assume, the rattlesnake round ups comprise of anti-snake zealots, then the educational posters are certainly just for show.

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# Posted: 16 Feb 2012 14:42 · Edited by: BIG HYDRO


Bahahahah...comparing this to the nazis. Seriously, what's next? Comparing keeping frogs to slavery?


Assuming is the wrong idea. The roundups are not full of anti snake people, just the opposite. That is like saying that people who hunt deer, or fish are anti deer or anti fish zealots.

The educational part are things like milking a snake(which was already asked about on this thread), proper ways to snake proof a house, handling a snake issue when you can not get someone there to remove it for you, how to properly prepare a snake for a meal, immediate first aid in case of a bite, how to keep calm after a bite, things to watch for when out in the wild to prevent coming across them, and all sorts of different shit like that. Next to the actual pit of snakes, the educational shows are the biggest draws to the roundup. Many people go to a roundup for the first time deathly afraid of rattlers, but leave with a new respect for them after learning more about them.

I have been going to roundups now for 39 years. Things have changed considerably at them over the decades. You should go to a couple of them and see what they are really all about, then form an opinion.



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fr0gcr4zy
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# Posted: 16 Feb 2012 14:57


Okay Hydro. My apologies for not updating myself on the current state of the round ups. I'm far far away from rattlesnake land and won't be seeing them though.

Still, I want to point something out. It should have occured to you that the possibility of anti-snake people are far higher than anti-fish or anti-deer people. Without this, America would not have had that recent python ban that is so baseless.

I do like the Nazi's, they did so many crappy things, its fun to use them to extrapolate for hypothetical modern scenarios.

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# Posted: 16 Feb 2012 15:02


You can thank the recent python ban on supposed snake lovers. You know, the ones that go to the big shows and to pet shops and by a snake, but then realize what it takes to keep them and then just turn them out in the wild.

Of course there are more snake haters than lovers in general, mostly due to pure ignorance on the subject of snakes. You can also thank that fairy tale book for that too, you know the one where they had a snake that talked some chic into eating an apple.



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# Posted: 16 Feb 2012 16:40


You can also thank that fairy tale book for that too, you know the one where they had a snake that talked some chic into eating an apple.
The sad thing is it wasn't actually a "snake" or an "apple". These words have been badly mistranslated and re-edited over the years.

Of course there are more snake haters than lovers in general, mostly due to pure ignorance on the subject of snakes.
This is true, my BF's Nan will kill a snake on sight because she thinks that they are the devil reincarnate. I would hate to see what she would do if she ever saw my pet snakes.

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# Posted: 16 Feb 2012 16:55


Isn't it now thought that it was actually a pomegranate not an apple?


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# Posted: 17 Feb 2012 23:58


Weren't all 12 of those witnesses drunk?
Maybe it was acid.......


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